BTK Strangler: Bind 'em, Torture 'em, Kill 'em

He's back - the Wichita Eagle
received a letter they say is
from BTK

from the desk of e at March 24, 2004 11:30 PM

NOT A LETTER, BUT A PHOTO COPY OF A KS DRIVER'S LICENSE OF A 1986 MURDER VICTIM, AND 3 PHOTOS OF THE CRIME SCENE, WHICH THE COPS DID NOT TAKE

from the desk of ANK at March 25, 2004 08:20 PM

you better go have a talk with the people who were at the scene before the police showed up, how could someone be taken away to the er or the morgue before the police showed up to conduct an investigation?? you think maybe the person who discovered the woman concluded with all the binding's that were attached to her that it was an obvious suicide, they must not be too smart there in kansas,"there's no place like home toto"

from the desk of bill hopkins at March 29, 2004 12:03 PM

Actually, Bill I think you may have some facts mixed up. By the way I'm from Kansas, Wichita in fact, and a lot of the crap on the internet isn't the full story.

from the desk of Christina at March 29, 2004 05:08 PM

Bill-

"Police said there were no crime scene photographs of Wegerle's body because it was removed by EMS workers before police arrived. At that time, police said, EMS policy was to transport injured people to the hospital as quickly as possible even if there was no pulse."

from the desk of x. at March 29, 2004 05:40 PM

Well it proves that the killer is still around to enjoy himself. Boy, things sure would get crazy around the capital city if another murder takes place.

from the desk of Edward at March 29, 2004 05:56 PM

Christina:

As a southeast Kansan (about 120 mi. from Wichita), I'm interested in a native's version of BTK: you write re: "the real story"--can we hear it from you?

from the desk of antoine at March 29, 2004 07:43 PM

And re: Bill Hopkins--"Gee, Bill, we've never heard that kind of dis before."

from the desk of antoine at March 29, 2004 07:45 PM

MY DAD SAW BTK - I grew up in Wichita and had not thought about BTK in years. The recent letter to the Wichita paper inspired a web search. My father, a Wichita Firefighter, was waiting to make a call from a phone booth one day and after the person who was using the phone had finished the phone rang. My dad answered and it was the Wichita police and asked if he had just made a call. My father explain that he had been waiting for someone to finish making a call. BTK had just called the police from that phone to tell them were to locate the body of someone he just killed. They asked dad to come to the police station to describe the person. Dad wasn't paying that close of attention and said he was wearing some sort of work uniform, perhaps like a KG&E employee might wear. The asked him if they could try to hytmatize "sp" him but it didn't reveal any additional information. I think the phone booth was in front of a grocery store off of 13th street.

from the desk of DWD at March 31, 2004 08:20 PM

I think this problem must be disscussed in offline. Or ICQ....

from the desk of подарки at April 4, 2004 07:18 PM

"Bill" says: "they must not be too smart there in kansas,"there's no place like home toto"

I guess they're even less smart in LA since they never caught the "Zodiac killer" and at least in Wichita we'd have had a jury see through the bs to convict OJ.

btw, Edward, the capitol of Kansas is Topeka, not Wichita. *s*

from the desk of fmrWichitan at April 5, 2004 07:03 PM

I am doing a school paper on the BTK Killer. One of the questions that I have is why does he bind and torture his victims? Please let me know if you have any ideas.

from the desk of Tiffany at April 12, 2004 01:10 PM

I also am a former Wichitan--my family knew victim Nancy Fox and her family. It's easy to look back and criticize for mistakes made--quite simply, this was Wichita's first experience with a serial killer. After more than 10 years with no word from BTK, Wegerle could not possibly have been considered one of his victims.

from the desk of mel at May 6, 2004 11:16 AM

i grew up in wichita and like the fireman my sister saw the btk. i was only 9 in 1974 and i was scared out of my skin.
i had nightmares that he was going to break into my house and kill all the women. i know have to fear for my nieces-nephews and all their families until this sicko is caught. i just pray that no one else has to die for them to catch him.

from the desk of stacy at June 7, 2004 01:20 PM

I'm former WPD! For the WPD, the BTK murders were never a cold case. We never gave up on trying to put together the pieces. If you've ever seen the NBC Dateline special, you will notice a crusty old detective slumped over with his head down reading one of BTK's letters. That man is Detecive Kelly Otis. His is highly respected and he was also my field training officer and partner. I'd like to see him be the one to crack the ongoing 30 year old case. I'm sure someone out there knows who he is. Maybe a family member or relative. After he kills, BTK claims to go on about living a normal live just like ANYBODY else. I would like the city of Wichita to put a $1,000,000 reward and pay it to the person who reveals his identity. People like BTK did it for self gratification and attention. But BTK is very sophisticated. He is about as premeditated as they get. BTK offered to tell his to story to Rob Lowen of the Wichita Eagle but Lowen was too scared to cooperate. BTK only targets women. If Lowen would have cooperated, we probably could have set up a trap! Police/community relations has always been a problem in Wichita

from the desk of Mike at September 21, 2004 08:44 PM

Mike-

Why is that? In my encounters with people on the Eagle's BTK forum, there's an overwhelming distrust of law enforcement and I'm not sure exactly what the cause is. I think a lot might come from the police's perceived secretiveness over details of the case which people feel they should share.

Can you give any more details about the Lowen deal? I've never heard about that before.

from the desk of x. at September 21, 2004 08:53 PM

Thirty years later, he writes the editor of the Wichta Eagle to let them know that he is still alive and well. He wants to tell his story while HE is still alive. As proof of his authenticity, he sends them photocopies of his last victim plus some sexually explicit post-mortum that only he could have taken. So for the record, its eight kills and not just seven. Sooner or later someone, maybe a friend or relative will stumble onto his box of tape recordings, photographs, and trophies that he keeps to remind himself of the victim and what he did. When that happens they will get the break they've been waiting for and be clear the case. The problem is not in just knowing who done it but being able to go before a judge and jury and prove it. After 30 yrs, I doubt they would be able to make a case. No witnesses. no evidence-no case!

from the desk of at September 21, 2004 09:02 PM

X,
Ron Lowen was a news editor with CAKE news based out of Wichita. Back in the seventies, when BTK started his killing spree. BTK starting sending letters to Lowen giving details of his crimes. He offered to tell Lowen his story but Lowen was too scared to cooperate. He finally broke down and told police and didn't want anymore police protection and didn't want any further involvement. Lowen could have been the hero of the day. He could have been Man of the Year on the cover of TIME magazine! But no, he would rather let it continue to plague the city for the next 30 years. I would have done it myself. Even if it meant risking my own life if that was what it would take to bring closure to a series of events that brought sheer terror to Wichita. For what its worth, I can't believe he won't let it go either. I've seen some of the crime seen photos. BTK-What you did to the Oteros was unreal. I saw how you stripped Julie Otero naked and tied a thick coil of rope around her ankles and then you put a plastic freezer bag over her head and suffocated her while burning her with a red hot knief. Then you took her daughter down to the basement and hung her by the neck from a ceiling rafter. I'd just like to know WHY?

from the desk of Mike at September 21, 2004 09:20 PM

Mike,

Thanks for the info. I just wanted to ask my second question again, since I figure you have a unique view into community/law enforcement relations. Why do you think there's such an adversarial relationship between the public and the police in Wichita? Is it just about this case in particular or a widespread phenomenon?

from the desk of x. at September 21, 2004 09:26 PM

Why has the case went unsolved? You have to remember that the BTK mureders happened back in the seventies. During the seventies, things were good for most of us. You didn't hear about things that as heinous and sensational as the Zodiac and BTK murders. Back in the seventies, the serial killer was a new phenomena! We really weren't prepared for something like this. Back then we didn't have the forensic capabilities that we do today. The local police don't like to work with other agencies, however, this is improving. I think that if they would have brought in the FBI that the story may very well of had a different ending. The could have had Quentico send crimial behavior analysts to put together a profile of the killer. The FBI has the most advanced forensic laboratoy in the world. They could have had the semen samples DNA tested. And last but not least, they for the most part do have the best investigators regardless of what you might hear from other cops or criminal justice buffs over at Wichita State University. BTK was just lucky! I think that after he botched the last couple attempts he realised that if he continued that he would slip up and finally be caught.

from the desk of Mike at September 21, 2004 09:44 PM

X,
I think you now as well as I do that there has always been a lot of racial tension in Wichita for one thing. Another is that the WPD and the community have never been friends. Most people in Wichita are scared of the WPD. Criminals and law abiding poeple alike. Wichita is not an easy town to police. Thats just the way it is but what the heck soneone has to do it. For any of you out there in internet land that are WPD or have been with the WPD, I salute you! Send a note about your comments on the case or just tell me what you think, I'd love to hear from you!

from the desk of Mike at September 21, 2004 09:54 PM

I wonder if BTK is going to send the Wichita Eagle another letter probably showing more evidence and wanting to tell his story. So BTK took some English liturature classes at Wichita State University. I know the place well because I got my master's degree there. Where is the chat?

from the desk of Mike at September 30, 2004 09:26 PM

I noticed a small article in the newspaper today. Apparently, the Wichita Police have confirmed that they have a new BTK letter. The letter has been sent to the FBI for authentication. Does anybody have any additonal iinformation?

from the desk of MIke at October 27, 2004 09:29 PM

In reading over a number of forums and articles on BTK, a large question just entered my mind about his communications. If all of the content of these has not been released (and if he has wanted to communicate with one reporter who refused) why would he NOT communicate through a different news source?? Why always the same news source? Perhaps this a pertinent piece of data.

from the desk of cody at October 31, 2004 12:04 AM

He uses the local news media for his communicantons with the police and the public. BTK is a Wichita native. He probably grew up in Wichita and has always lived there and still does. So he writes letters to specific poeple at KAKE-TV and the Wichita Eagle. They,in turn, refer the letters to the local police. By the time the police get the letters, the local news media has or is in the process of making a news release about it. Instilling fear and ridiculing the police-thats what BTK is all about. This guy has even said in his letters that he wants to tell his story so why doesn't somebody over at KAKE-TV or the Wichita Eagle do it! Lets try an find out what the police, pubic, victim's families and everyone else in the world wants to know. I know that I want to know because lets face it - we have an unsloved series of serial murders that happened in a town that I used to live in.

from the desk of Mike at October 31, 2004 02:01 PM

Xtop, I like your posts-BTK NOT DEAD YET! and FEAR AND LOATHING.

from the desk of Mike at October 31, 2004 02:19 PM

Yes, exactly, the other half of the equation. Why doesn't someone at KAKE or the Eagle do it if it has in fact been offered?? Something doesn't sync here especially given what seems a long standing and close relationship between these news sources and the police. And given that the police have tried to draw him out. Am I making wrong assumptions? Also, little about BTK seems to suggest a strong MO or persona. Why the misleading that he does as it isn't really taunting but more to give people a false impression of who he is? ...wondering

from the desk of cody at October 31, 2004 10:45 PM

Cody, BTK's modus operandi is about as clear as its gets. He binds, somewhat tortures them if time is permiting, and then takes their lives. The modus operandi refers to his methods and style as far as what he does and how he does it and who he does it to. He has a multiple personality that allows him to pass himself off as an average everyday citizen and then he possesses a violent uncontrolable sexually fueled darkside that causes him to act out in a Very deviant manner. Do you ever wonder what Factor X is? I think I know! There are twelve cranial nerves that led from the occipital region of your brain to various parts of the human body. The tenth cranial nerve is the most significant. It is know as the Vagus nerve. All of the twelve nerves are denoted by Roman numerals. So the tenth cranial nerve is denoted by the Roman numeral X. The tenth cranial is the most significant because it innervates your heart, lungs, stomach, nervous system, ect. When you experience fear, fight or flight responses, axiety, panic, euphoria, ie head rushes which many people enjoy, you are experiencing Factor X. Factor X is a self-induced natural high that certain people receive and enjoy after experiencing certain stumili. In simple terms, they get off on what they do. A doctor or a psychiatrist probably explained this to BTK or maybe he read about it in a medical book but I know that is what he and other serial killers are talking about when they refer to Factor X. I don't believe that BTK is trying to mislead anybody or trying to cover his persona or who he really is. So far everything he has said in his letters has been straight foreward and right to the point without any bullshit. Yes, he is taunting the police. He even asks makes statements and asks questions in his letters such as "how many people do I have to kill I get some national attention" and "do the cop think that are these are not related" and "I can't stop the monster maybe you can" and "good luck hunting yours truly guilty-BTK" I just wish the Wichita Eagle would publish an article stating that they are indeed interested in publishing the BTK Story as told by BTK himself. This would probably answser a lot of unanswered questions and might just add some closure to the case regardless of whether or not he is ever caught.

from the desk of Mike at November 1, 2004 02:03 AM

Cialis is for sorry motherfuckers who can't get it up? Where is the BTK chat?

from the desk of Mike at November 3, 2004 01:07 AM

I like the way that shit went away immediately after I made my little post!

from the desk of Mike at November 3, 2004 01:09 AM

Now that I've given some of my own personal insight into the BTK case based on the research I've done, I can't help but wonder if he reads any of what I've posted about him because I know he seeks attention and looks for it in the newsmedia and I would have not doubt that he would look at BTK websites on the net.

from the desk of Mike at November 3, 2004 01:19 AM

from the desk of holiday at November 3, 2004 03:47 PM

mike, i am wondering what shit you are talking about? i hope it doesn't mean that you think those opinions other than yours are neccessarily to be squelched?

from the desk of cody at November 3, 2004 04:19 PM

sorry i missed a post about cialis

from the desk of cody at November 3, 2004 04:21 PM

I've been pretty stressed out the past couple of days. I already take Xanax and have thought about buying it over the web but I'm afraid of getting ripped off! I don't mean to get shitty with the other people that read this webpage but I want to hear about what people have to say about the BTK case.

from the desk of Mike at November 3, 2004 09:50 PM

i agree and it's ok

from the desk of cody at November 4, 2004 02:25 AM

So who is the salesman? I don't see how other people can stand to read about business loans and mortgage financing not to mention taking the time to post it on a webpage!

from the desk of Mike at November 4, 2004 04:06 PM

It's Friday! Everybody must get stoned.

from the desk of Mike at November 5, 2004 08:35 PM

As I view and read the other BTK webpages and learn more and more about the case, the more it trips me out! The Long and Lonely Road Out Of Hell (or in this case Kansas) is a very interesting post xtop. I just wanted you to know that I like it.

from the desk of Mike at November 6, 2004 01:19 PM

Xenical! Did you say Xenical? Just what in the fucking hell are you talking about?

from the desk of Mike at November 7, 2004 05:34 PM

I tend to repeat myself when stress, I tend to repeat myself when under stress, I tend to repeat myself when under stress. I repeat! As of yesterday, your webpage is one year old. That is, if the date on the post at the top marks the birthdate on your webpage. Happy birthday! Well, it's bedtime so I have to crash and get ready for big bad monday.

from the desk of Xenophile at November 7, 2004 11:48 PM

Do you think that there will ever be any more new developments in the BTK case? Maybe another letter, another clue, never before revealed forensic evidence, any new leads! By the way, what is xenical and just who is a xenophile?

from the desk of Mike at November 8, 2004 05:06 PM

One more month and will be through, I'll be glad and so will you! Smoke one for me!

from the desk of Mike at November 9, 2004 09:02 PM

Say something Cody! Even if your not interested in the BTK case, say something anyway. It's too bad that a good webpage like this one goes so unnoticed. I mean come on somebody say something because I'm quite bored.

from the desk of Mike at November 10, 2004 09:29 PM

mike...i read this on another forum and wonder since you have some inside perspective what you think

" Quote (Otero letter):

P.S. Since sex criminals do not change their M.O. or by nature cannot do so, I will not change mine. The code words for me will be... Bind them, toture them, kill them, B.T.K., you see he at it again. They will be on the next victim.
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This is the first time I remember actually seeing the real Otero letter. Just noticed the...

"They will be on the next victim."

Do you suppose he carved those initials into the victims body, or somehow marked it on their clothing or something? Could that signature (in a particular style) be the one solid identifying mark that leaves the police with no doubt a communication is from him?"

from the desk of cody at November 14, 2004 03:03 AM

AND, PLEASE, WHOMEVER IS PUTTING ALL THE ADVERTISING CR*P HERE, STOP IT - GO SOMEWHERE ELSE

from the desk of cody at November 14, 2004 03:06 AM

The Otero letter is pretty bizzare if in fact you have ever had a chance to read the letter. BTK would actually make comments about how Mr. Otero vomitted while he was being strangled. He even had the nerve to talk shit on the Oteros because their station wagon was on of gas when he used it to make his gateway after killing those poor people. It is had to imagine how one person could be so cruel to another. The Wichita police seem to think that the Otero murders are the key to the case. It might just be! I think he probably knew all victims indirectly somehow. I can't help but wonder why he considers himself a sex offender when he really hasn't committed a sex crime. I know it is hard to believe that he would get so turned on by what he did that he would masturbate on the victim's body, however, masturbation isn't a crime. They seem to think that deception is a big part of his game. Based on what I've read, I'd have to say that it is. I'd also have to say that whoever this guy is, he is relatively intelligent not to mention extremely lucky. Fortunately, for the women of Wichita even the best laid plans don't always materialize. There were a couple of times when the women would come home with someone else with them or they would show up at all. As for the criminal profiles, I'd have to say that Ressler's profile is about the only one that I would pay any attention to. By the way, the next time you put any of that crap about pills or gambling on this webpage, you are going to see a fist coming out of the screen of your monitor decking your sorry ass!

from the desk of Mike at November 15, 2004 12:10 AM

By the way Kody, its good to here from you again! Where do you live?

from the desk of Mike at November 15, 2004 04:00 PM

Mike, thanks, your insights are appreciated. I do get the feeling BTK is deceitful and sending everyone down lots of silly avenues (as well as obscuring his idenity?)

from the desk of cody at November 15, 2004 08:18 PM

west ;)

from the desk of cody at November 15, 2004 08:19 PM

When you say 'Ressler's"...is that a profile from an original/old group of suspects?

from the desk of cody at November 15, 2004 08:22 PM

Ressler is a criminal behavior analyst/profiler who is a highly regarded former FBI agent who spent most of his career with their behavior science unit. He coined the name/phrase-serial killer. He is good. He knows what he is talking about. For what it is worth, I get the impression that the Wichita Police and the FBI might be playing some games of their own. I think their close! Close to wraping up one of the most bizzare and frustrating cases to ever be handled by law enforcement. By the way, is 111 still with WPD?

from the desk of Mike at November 15, 2004 08:46 PM

Thanks...did Ressler make a profile of BTK? If so, is it accessible somewhere...does it conflict with others? Who is 111? Inquiring minds want to know! ;)
Why do you think thy are close?

from the desk of cody at November 15, 2004 10:20 PM

Here is a question "Who used to be 114?"

from the desk of at November 15, 2004 11:27 PM

Does Sector 1 still rule the West Side. Eventhough it has been 13 yrs, I still remember all the names faces as though it were yesterday. There have been times when I couldn't help but reflect on the old days. Yes, those some damn good times. I'll have to visit Wichita some time when I have the time and opportunity. Remember Chris Willems! Query his name and see what comes up.

from the desk of Tears at November 15, 2004 11:35 PM

Make that Segwick County Sheriff's Deputy Chris Willems

from the desk of Mike at November 16, 2004 12:11 AM

i'm sorry, i meant i am from the west coast so i can't answer your questions

from the desk of coDy at November 16, 2004 12:23 AM

this? "1991 shooting death of Sedgwick County sheriff's Deputy Chris Willems"

from the desk of coDy at November 16, 2004 12:26 AM

There is a detective with the WPD that they call Ody. I thought that maybe you were him.

from the desk of Mike at November 16, 2004 01:48 AM

What's up coDy? From what I understand, the WPD are in the process of getting a supoena for the net company Knight ridder. Apparently, there were some posts made on a webpage that were signed BTK. I don't think these idiots relise just how much fucking goddam trouble they could get into for doing such a stupid thing. I would like to here from you or anyone else that is interested in this.

from the desk of Mike at November 17, 2004 03:13 AM

Jesus Christ, I clicked on the post buttom and nothing happened so I clicked on it again and again. Before I knew my post had been printed 15 times. Xtop, can you fix this! If so, please do.

from the desk of Mike at November 17, 2004 03:18 AM

Why would someone post as btk...stupidity perhaps. Which site is owned by Knight Rider?

from the desk of cody at November 17, 2004 03:26 AM

Xtop, when our you going to delete my extra unintentional posts

from the desk of Mike at November 18, 2004 08:03 AM

Already did, Mike. Go ahead and clear your cache on your browser or refresh.

from the desk of x. at November 18, 2004 09:19 AM

Thanks X, I kinda felt like an idiot after seeing all those posts pop up. I mean I really felt bad. Cody, I don't know what owns or operates Knight ridder. I think it is a company out of Kansas City, Missouri. The article I read said the posts were made by someone in KCMO. If you hear of any new developments in the case, make a post. As much as I hate to say it, this shit is addictive! Damn, I hope they eventually break this case. Why don't fucking goddam idiots just let BTK tell his story. It would be a best seller. If I were an employee with KAKE or the Wichita Eagle, I woundn't hesitate in encouraging him to tell his story. I'd go down in history is the guy who finally provided the answers to the questions everybody has been asking for the past thirty years.

from the desk of Mike at November 18, 2004 10:47 AM

This from another board...any knowledge mike?

"It also says that police received a major tip in 1991 which eventually fizzled but which served to reinvigorate invesigators. Does anybody have any idea what this could be about? My personal belief is that BTK wrote to police then to let them know he is still around or alternatively wrote with information about another murder unlinked to him. Does anyone have any information about what information the police might have received in 1991 in connection with BTK? "

from the desk of cody at November 18, 2004 08:49 PM

I'm not sure. I know he wrote a letter to Mary Fager telling her that he didn't not kill her husband and her two daughters but "was a fan of however did," could it have been about that. I can only guess. The WPD has always been very tight-lipped about the information that they have concerning the case which has probably been a good idea. Your guess is as good as mine! There have been a lot of serial murder cases over the years but this one takes the cake or whatever is it they say. Reply back!

from the desk of Mike at November 19, 2004 07:36 AM

Ok, another question, do you think BTK could be more of a respected professional type than he is normally represented as? Many people seem to think so. I do not think he has lived in Wichita for 25 years either, but is back there on a regular basis because of family and business connections.

from the desk of cody at November 19, 2004 03:20 PM

It's very hard to say. I have to say that whatever it is that he is doing he probably successful at it. He is somebody who probably had a bad childhood. Probably mistreated and sexually abused. Hell, I don't know. Maybe he lives there maybe not. He probably was in the service. Mr. Otero was an airforce sergeant stationed at Rose Hill Air Base, Rose Hil, Ks. That might have been how he knew him. They say the first case is the key. Mrs. Otero and Kathryn Albright both worked at the Coleman Factory. Nancy Fox's address was 843 S Pershing. 843 backwards is 384 as in 384 Bomb Wing at McConell Airorce Base. All the murders occured within a three and a half mile radius of each other. Checkout crime library.com and look at the story chapters on the right side and then read this stuff. And then find one of his lasted letters, its modeled after those chapters-The BTK Story. There is a chapter entitled PJ's which is in referernce to the last Wichita State University Professor PJ Wyatt. So he went to college there. So did I. Just before he shot Kathyrn Albright's boyfriend he looked at him and said "Don't I know you from the university." Crazy-Crazy! Would somebody at KAKE OR THE WICHITA EAGLE just let this crazy old motherfucker tell his story so when can at least clarify and details and fill in some of the holes.

from the desk of MIKE at November 19, 2004 09:24 PM

Cody, guess what I'm watching right now "Red Dragon" it is supposedly based on the BTK case but I don't seem how! It's not a bad flick though. Check it out.

from the desk of MIKE at November 20, 2004 01:52 AM

What is your opinion of this account on another website...credible?
*******
BACKGROUND:
I worked for the Wichita Police Dept. back in the late 1970s to early 1980s. I was in the records department and that allowed me the opportunity to read the BTK file. The file contained BTK's letters, police reports, crime-scene photos and FBI profiles.

At that time, the BTK file was not isolated, but with all the other case files. I bet that has since changed to limit possible leaks. The file did not contain detectives' notes of the ongoing investigation. That info may be in the file now, but was not back then. Only documents that were complete were in the file, such as the police reports, finished reports from the investigating officers and detectives, letters that BTK mailed, crime-scene photos, FBI profiles, etc.

My knowledge about case theories and such came from my conversations with the BTK detectives when they came to the records department for mug shots, forms, copies, or to have us run tags, vin numbers or names through NCIC and the state database. We did not have daily contact with the detectives, only when they came to records for some reason. They usually only talked when they were excited about some aspect of the BTK case. Some did not talk about it at all.

All police personnel are sworn to secrecy, but I feel there is some info that should be public knowledge. I am somewhat afraid to discuss it in this forum, as it may be monitored by police. I have read some of your message board. I do believe that BTK is reading it also.

BTK SUSPECTS:
There was a detective at the time by the name of Pete. I haven't kept up on people and don't know if he is still there or not. He had a list of BTK suspects and one particular suspect had a tag number, vin number and driver's license that all came back "no record found" in the state database. The suspect had personalized tags. I cant remember the tags. He had a blue car and a blue pickup with a topper and both had the personalized tags that were not on record. There was a mug shot on file for the suspect for a previous arrest for window peeking.

Anyway, there was an abduction of a young woman that I knew from high school by the name of Debbie. She was abducted from a laundromat on the SE side of town by a man who held a knife to her throat as she put a basket of laundry in the back seat of her car. While the abductor was driving, he had her undress and he asked her if she liked sex. He asked her if she knew what he was going to do and she said "You are going to kill me?" He said that he was. He had her throw something out the window and she dove out the window at that time and ran to a house where a family called the police. She said the man drove a blue pickup and topper and picked the suspect from a mugshot lineup. There are photos of her all bruised and scraped up with a bad case of road rash. She approximated that he was going 50 miles per hour when she bailed out of his pickup.

An FBI profile was done on the suspect and it stated that he had attended Westpoint and that Joseph Otero was one of his instructors. I'm not sure if that was at Westpoint. The suspect had been involved in an accident at Greenwich and Kellogg in which a semi-truck had run a red light. The suspect's fiance, who was sitting next to him in his car, was killed. The suspect had to have a metal plate put in his skull as a result of the accident. The profile said his fiance had shoulder-length brown hair, which was why they believed all of BTK's victims had brown hair. Shortly after this last incident it seemed the BTK investigation was over. I still remember the suspect's name. He lived in the SE area of town with his parents.

If it was BTK that abducted her, that would be the only time I am aware of that he acted outside of a victim's home. However, it could have just been the detective bragging. You know, most cops have John Wayne Syndrome; you know, "see my badge, see my gun, I'm big and bad." (Or is that "little-man syndrome?"). If I sound a little (or a lot) cynical, it is because I have seen the not-so-well-known side of the police profession. Don't get me wrong: I am no angel. There is no safer way to party than to be friends with the cops that party. (Yes, we were all young and dumb once upon a time. Including myself.) I'm sure you are not interested in the ancient history and rookie tales of some of today's top brass at WPD. But I do know some dirt, so it is hard for me to take any of them too serious. That is why I said that the Debbie case may have just been the detective bragging.

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The FBI profile said BTK has a photographic memory and that he draws pictures from memory. In the case of Nancy Fox, BTK drew her lying on her bed, body face down, slightly on her side. He drew her shoes on the floor, but drew them together instead of apart like in the crime-scene photos. He drew the headboard as having either six or nine squares instead of nine or twelve. He drew the nightstand, but changed some of the items on it. I don't remember exactly what was changed. He also drew her dresser. Not just outline sketches, but more like pictures (like an artist). The profile also said the perspective of the Fox scene would have been impossible to photograph, as it would have been through a wall; that is how they determined he was not drawing the scene from a photo.

I do not recall a secret BTK symbol. Of course, I was just reading through the file simply out of curiosity. I recall bits and pieces from the letters, such as what he wrote about the Otero girl. "The little girl when I hung her she really turned me on, her wild pleading eyes when the rope took hold" and other comments about her. I also know he made references to the copies that he sent the police and that when they found the originals, they would find him. I believe that many communications were withheld, or at least a lot of content. (Like the sketches that he drew of the crime scenes.) I did not work for the police department after the early 1980s, so I don't have any firsthand knowledge about letters after that time.

Also, BTK wrote that intended victims were not killed. I am sure there were more than just the Anna Williams case that has recently been in the news. He also wrote that he was in someone's house and was just about to finish his deed when a dog barked and a neighbor turned on a porch light, so he left. I am almost positive that BTK had actually choked a person during a break in, but left them alive. A reference to that case was in the file along with the letter, but I do not recall the address or victim's name. BTK had came in a window under which there was a large plant of some type that was not moved or damaged. The person was choked to unconsciousness by what was determined to be some type of military maneuver. When she came to, the perpetrator was gone. I have never heard of this case in the news, but then I really haven't kept up on the case very much.

Something else I remember is about the military knots. I think Shirley Vian's children were in the bathroom tied up or cords tied around in the bathroom with them. He said in the letter that he had plans for them, but that a phone call saved them (whatever that meant). Also, at the Otero scene, I remember their dog was vicious and had to be removed from the scene. It was discussed that the killer had either incapacitated the dog, or else he was well known to the family. The reports indicated there was semen on a pillowcase at the Otero scene and semen on Nancy Fox's housecoat or nightgown.

I think the Vian children were considered to be too young to be of any help. I don't even remember their ages. They may have been re-interviewed, but I would not know.

I am not sure that they believe he killed Kathryn Bright. Her case was not in the BTK file, although it could have been added later. My personal opinion is that Kathryn Bright was not his victim.

It was often reported that a man in a tan uniform was seen in the neighborhood prior to the murders. This was well known to the police and I feel should have been publicized at the time. And I may be wrong, but I feel the police are using the media to stir BTK into communicating by deliberately reporting misinformation so that he will make contact to tell his story.

from the desk of cody at November 21, 2004 05:00 PM

Good post Cody! Reading it sure had me tripping. It didn;t know that you had worked for WPD. Did you know Kelly Otis? I always figured there was a little more to the story. Did you know Lt. Landwaur? As much as I hate to say it, I like to see BTK try to slip out of the shadow world he lives one more time and do one more deed. I believe that they could catch him with a little luck. Who knows! As far as suspects are concerned, it is too bad there is no way for the WPD to check on all those arrested for burglary back during 1974-1979. That seems to be a big part of his game-going into peoples houses. A lot of people think he might have been incerated for a awhile. The only thing there is to say is that is it hard to say anything about anything concerning this shit. But keep writing letters. Write letters to somebody who will publish your story! Do this before they finally piece this together, you get arrested and incarcarated and you never get to tell your story.

from the desk of MIKE at November 22, 2004 11:02 AM

I understand from what I just read somewhere else that Lt. Landweur is asking formers officers who were with the WPD back during '74-79 for DNA swaps just so there is no controversy. Not a bad idea really. I guess somebody somewhere speculated that it was a possibilty. What do think X/cody?

from the desk of Mike at November 22, 2004 12:37 PM

Seems like a good idea to give people reassurance and eliminate police although I think it's not one of them and that BTK isn't living in Wichita. I think he moved a long time ago

from the desk of coy at November 22, 2004 09:28 PM

My guess is BTK grew up in Wichita and went away for college, was back-and-forth for a while going home (he could have had many different odd jobs while in college or before like working where one of the suspects worked), then made a career move to a different state.

from the desk of Coy at November 22, 2004 09:33 PM

After BTK killed Nancy Fox, he wrote a letter saying "After a thing like Fox, I come home and go on about life just like anybody else!" He even had the audacity to call WPD 911 and report it himself "I would like to report a homicide Nancy Fox 843 South Pershing that is correct." How and the hell do you just go on about life after something like that I'd like to know. He even wrote a poem entitled "Oh! Death to Nancy." He seems awfully inspired by poetry as the poem was modeled after the poem Oh Death! taught by former Professor PJ Wyatt at Wichita State University.

from the desk of Mike at November 23, 2004 01:20 AM

You know; you really need to start thinking about something else.

from the desk of Mike at November 23, 2004 09:52 AM

Have you ever thought about checking into a drug rehab and getting treatment for your prescription drug addiction?

from the desk of Mike at November 24, 2004 01:31 AM

Do they have Alprazolam 2mg? If so, www.what.com

from the desk of MIke at November 24, 2004 01:19 PM

Have you ever ordered online before? If so, where cause I might just try ordering some myself!

from the desk of Mike at November 24, 2004 01:21 PM

So Cody, you've seen the BTK File. I've only seen a couple of the crime sceen photos. Back in the early ninties, I took a class at WSU from Dr. William Eckert who back in the seventies was Sedgwick County Coroner. He showed me a crime scene photo of Ms. Otero-she was stipped naked, legs and arms tied, plastic freezer bag over her head lying diagonally on her bed in her bedroom. I've always wondered about how much more evidence there might be that hasn't been revealed! A writer named John Douglas wrote a book entitled "Obsession," which is modeled after the BTK case but Douglas changes the names of the victims and the location of where the murders happened. I read some comments about it on another webpage, there was a comment saying he really nialed the crime scene photos. He must have known one of the retired detectives who had access to the BTK case files. I'll have to go to the book store today and see if they have Obsession. But yeah, you right, we do have to watch what we say online don't we.

from the desk of Mike at November 24, 2004 01:51 PM

X, you need to delete that drug shit! This wegpape ain't the place for it.

from the desk of Mike at November 24, 2004 09:53 PM

Here's to the Wichita Police Dept., ya gotta love'm.

from the desk of MIKE at November 30, 2004 08:23 PM

Cody,
I just read your Nov. 21 post again. I didn't know that BTK draw a picture of each of the victims after he had killed them and them mailed the pictures to KAKE, the Wichita Eagle, or whoever. I had seen the drawing of what the inside of the Otero house looked like and where the bodies were found but I figured the drawing was drawn by a crime scene investigator. I then realized that it was the a drawing BTK drew and mailed to the Wichita Eagle I think. I'm not sure! What else can you tell me? I'm waiting to hear it. The WPD sure has changed a lot over the past 15 yrs. They even have their own website that provides a lot of info about the department. I sure their in a lot better shape these days. Better organized and better financed-it helps.

from the desk of MIKE at December 1, 2004 10:51 AM

The Wichita Police have revealed that the last BTK letter found in a UPS drop box contained somewhat of a profile of him provided by BTK himself, we think but don;t know for sure because it could be some more deception. Click on main at the top of the page and go the other webpage and read xtop's BTK profiled. If this is indeed true, it provides an immense amount of insight and knowledge about him. Robert Ressler, formal FBI agent, criminal profiler, who worked in a the bureau's behavior science unit says he is very skeptical about the letter. If it is genuine info and I think that it is, this is a major major break. More later! Check out today's front page story of the Wichita Eagle also.

from the desk of MIKE at December 1, 2004 12:58 PM

"America's Most Wanted" will air a segment on the BTK case 8 p.m., Dec. 11 on Channel 4. Their film crew is in Wichita this week filming.
They will probably be showing pictures of the victims, talking about where the murders occured and how, showing where they happened. They might even interview Lt. Landwehr or Det. Otis. It would be nice if they could show of the crime photos. But they can't because they are too graphic! I'm sure John Walsh will say "I know someone out there knows someone or something about this. If you do, contact America's Most Wanted at 1-800-you-snitch! You could be eligible for up a $1,000,000." Hell, I wish I knew who he is.

from the desk of MIKE at December 1, 2004 05:50 PM

There seem to be a lot of people that think the killer wants to identify himself because he wants to tell his story before he himself dies. He claims to have been born in 1939. That is one old serial killer!

from the desk of at December 2, 2004 03:14 PM

By the way, what is up with the railroads. He claims to have a fascination with trains and always lived by a railroad. Who are Petra and Tina?

from the desk of MIKE at December 2, 2004 03:22 PM

Ive heard that there are several websites and message boards that have been reported as having suspicous posters on them possibly btk does anyone know any of the websites or message boards ? and if so i would like to know.

from the desk of art at December 2, 2004 05:37 PM

I saw a post that was a poem "God this, God that" type of thing and it was signed BTK. It was on the webpage of something out of Kansas City, Missouri. Maybe, Knight Ridder Newspaper. I'm not sure. But it was this wild poem written about god. With every line starting with god and then going on to say something crazy. I've been trying to find it so I can read it again but I haven't been able to find it. Now I understand why there are some who think he might possibly be in Kansas City, Mo. Oh, well.

from the desk of Mike at December 2, 2004 08:51 PM

Yeah, i think the railroad thing is too goofy

from the desk of cody at December 2, 2004 08:56 PM

Gee Mikv....looks like it's only you and I here

from the desk of cody at December 2, 2004 09:03 PM

What do you think about the him being in the military angle?

from the desk of Mike at December 2, 2004 11:13 PM

well, on cody's note, i'm gonna shut these comments down, since no one is seeing them but you guys, me and the occasional googler and i'd like to spread out the glut (and throw the spammers off the trail). If you want to keep commenting (and I am down with that), go to http://www.thoughtpeach.com and scroll down, I've got a couple posts up about the recent btk developments where you can comment away and people'll actually, y'know, see it.

Here's links to the recent posts:

http://www.thoughtpeach.com/archives/000717.html

http://www.thoughtpeach.com/archives/000715.html

http://www.thoughtpeach.com/archives/000713.html

good times.

thanks.

from the desk of x. at December 3, 2004 12:49 AM